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I have to admit, I came here fishing for your e-mail addresses primarily...and could not leave without reading this post. It grabbed me.

This post concludes as powerfully and as truthful as any post one will likely read any time soon or has read recently.

Dead Solid Perfect, boys.

Well done.

The difference is a theological one. I can't speak for protestants (I'm an Orthodox Christian). When The Passion of the Christ came out last year, my bishop gave a sermon about it. He hadn't seen it (and I haven't either), but he said a couple things.

1, it's not historically accurate. An actual crucifixion is much worse than you'll see in any movie. Crucifixion is a very nasty way to die. You have to constantly push yourself up on your feet (that are already hurting, what with the nails and all), or you'll suffocate. So you rest your feet, but then your arms pull your chest, and you can't breathe. Not pleasant.

2, The Gospels dedicate just a few passages to the Passion, but a lot more to the Resurrection, showing us what priority we should put on either. In the Orthodox Church, we read about the Passion on Holy Thursday night (in anticipation of Holy Friday), but that's just one night. We then spend the 40 days after Pascha (what others call "Easter") celebrating the Resurrection (which we also celebrate almost every Sunday throughout the year).

The theological difference between Orthodox and Roman Catholic beliefs is that Roman Catholic theology is based (as I understand it) on the chivalric code, where the severity of an insult is based on the recipient, while the importance of a compliment is based on the giver (for example, no one cares if you insult a peasant, but woe betide you if you insult a king. Similarly, if a king pays you a compliment, that's a much bigger thing than if a peasant pays you one). So when Adam insulted God by eating the apple, it was a very big deal that could only be countered by an equally big deal, namely God's Son suffering. And (again, according to Roman Catholic theology) the more the Son suffers, the better off we are. That's why Roman Catholic artwork shows all the blood in the Passion (the bloodier the better (off we are)).

For Orthodox Christians, the Crucifixion is more a means to an end. If He didn't die then He couldn't have destroyed death.

Michael

I don't think the Chivalric ideal thing is in play - it was certainly never mentioned or discussed in my studies of Theology - sounds more like a myth - a convenient explanation given by someone outside the Faith. Plus, I don't buy it: Augustine's Civitas Dei predated Charlemagne by 400 years, and the former is more normative to RC theology.

I would assert the importance of suffering is tied up with the 'fully man' part of the dual nature of Christ. By necessity, he was required to undergo the deepest depths of the temptations and pain of human experience - of which physical suffering is one (nontrivial, admittedly) component, but spiritual suffering is the bigger one: the Garden Agony (anxiety/fear), for instance, and the passion's ultimate low point is the Abandonment (My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?). This was Christ's descent into the living hell of the desolation of soul caused in us by feeling as if God has turned away (considered by Catholics the deepest 'state of sin' in man) - but even there He triumphs, since his next line, from those deep depths, is "Into Your hands...".

Blood's use in Catholic art, well, like all Catholic art, is representative (spes - symbolic), not sacramental (sacramentum).

It is an outward expresssion that calls to mind the deeper things - that of spiritual suffering. I would posit that well-formed Catholics would describe the phenomenon of bloody depiction as arising from being merely unflinching at the sight or thought of blood, contrary to those who might want to pretty it up, make it less messy. By making it less messy, it's very possible for others to lose touch with the messy part of Christ's human life and human soul, pushing him further away into a remote, unrelated Godhead.

Ummm... ah... the "Chivalric Code" developed long after Christianity had taken hold in the world and after the Latin Church (ie, "Roman Catholicism") had been ruling Western Europe for quite some time. Saying "Roman Catholicism is based on the Chivalric Code" is like saying baby cows come from leather purses.

It's not just the theology. Politics is a big part of reviews. The same critics who castigated John Wayne for excessive violence in The Cowboys praised Sam Peckinpah for his "artistic" use of violence in The Wild Bunch.

Ken:
The reviews about TPOTC are ALL about politics. Zero theology. Harry, what a great posting. USMC saw it, me too, and I'm sure a lot of people. Great insight.God bless you.

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