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June 18, 2005

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Counterpoint: I don't agree with you. I think Dick Durbin's distracting and counterproductive remarks have held the news cycle for too long already. There are too many important matters before us now for our nation to be distracted by meaningless hyperbole. The prosecution of the war on terror, the creation of a secure and stable Iraq, Social Security reform, the energy bill … the list of weighty matters facing us is too long for us to waste time and energy on matters of no significance.

I'd strongly urge our Senators to drop the Durbin matter entirely, to get the Senator from Illinois off the front pages of our country's papers, and to resume debate on H.R.6, the President's energy bill.

Jeff,

You are wrong.

If you do not answer these assinine comments vehemently then people may actually believe some of them.

Censure Dick Durbin NOW!

Censure and resignation is just a slap on the wrist. Lets tar and feather Dickieboy Durbin like they did in the Colonial Days and run him out of town on a rail.

Flap & Jack-

I agree. There has to be consequences for these types of actions. Like Newt said "expressing outrage is not enough".

Jeff- I have to say i disagree with your take on this one. You cannot properly prosecute the War on Terror when you have Senators giving aid and comfort to the enemy. This must be addressed.

Censure Dick Durbin NOW!

Flap, please go back and re-read what you wrote. It can't POSSIBLY reflect what you actually meant. You said that if we don't "answer" misleading statements that they might be believed, but then you call for Durbin to be PUNISHED. Answering somebody and punishing somebody aren't the same thing.

The solution to bad speech isn't less speech. It's more speech. I agree that incorrect characterizations need to be corrected. But the right way to correct them isn't to call for the speaker to be punished, and ESPECIALLY not to be tried for treason, for chrissakes. That's just spite and foolishness, and it's not worthy of us. We're better than that.

Jeff-

Do you have any idea what comparing American interrogators and Gitmo military staff to Nazis, Soviet gulag operators and genocidal maniac Pol Pot says to our troops and our enemies?

Hint: contains the words "aid" and "comfort" and "enemy".

I recognize that you feel the Senate needs to get back to work- but- what is our government's primary responsibility?

Hint: contains the word "defend".

FYI- we don't split hairs over minced words around here - sometimes properly answering involves punishment.

In closing- I want to recommend that anyone who's reading through this click on Jeff's name and visit his site. He is a very intelligent person and has a great blog. This is just one of those moments where we don't agree. Which is, OK.

Trey, I’m sorry, but we’re just not going to see eye to eye on this one. I think reckless accusations of treason fired at duly elected United States Senators — even ones we can all agree we don’t like — are far more harmful than any statement like Durbin’s could ever have been. That’s thing #1.

Thing #2 is this: Has there ever been a legal precedent in which saying something bad about Americans or US troops has been considered treasonous? Ever? Seditious, yes, both under the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 and the Sedition Act of 1918. But both of those acts of Congress are widely considered to have been gross abuses of legislative power, so I think they kinda serve to prove my point.

Thing #3 is this: What Sen. Durbin actually said wasn’t as bad as what he’s being accused of having said. His statements on Tuesday occupy THREE PAGES in the Congressional Record, yet he’s being blasted for one sentence. That one sentence said, in paraphrase, “If you heard what we’re doing at Gitmo and didn’t know it was us, you’d think it was the Nazis.” And that’s entirely true, if you take into the account that so many Americans are ignorant of just how horrifying the Nazi death camps really were. It’s not a case of relativism; it’s a case of collective ignorance.

What’s the best way to battle collective ignorance? Is it by punishing a Senator for speaking carelessly? Or is it by educating people about what we REALLY DO at Camp Delta, and why it’s okay, and beyond that why it’s necessary?

Thing #4 is the issue of harm. Lots of folks have accused Durbin of handing the Islamists free propaganda material. As if they needed it! The Islamist war machine is very comfortable with blood libel. They have no problem making up lies to smear Americans or America. Durbin’s words are a drop in the ocean. Just the other day there was an editorial in an Egyptian newspaper accusing Osama bin Laden and Wowie Zarqawi of being US agents. The Islamist propaganda machine doesn’t need fuel; it runs on hate, mass-produces lies, and loads them on trucks for delivery from Casablanca to Jakarta and all points in between. Durbin’s remarks were careless and insulting, but it’s an exaggeration to say they were actually harmful.

There’s a thing #5. I saved it for last because it’s something I wish we didn’t have to talk about, but we do. This past week has been a WINDFALL for Dick Durbin’s fundraising committee. If the Senate even chooses to open a censure debate, much less actually censure him, it’s just going to mean money in his pocket. All he has to do is send out a mailer with the words “Right-wing Senators seek to silence patriotic American!” on it, and it’ll be worth five or six thousand bucks a week, easy. And don’t think the issue cuts equally both ways. The Illinois GOP cannot send out a mailer with the message “Durbin thinks American soldiers are Nazis.” That would backfire in the most devastating way imaginable. So this whole mess has just been free money for the Illinois Democratic Party.

There are 19 Congressional seats in Illinois that come up for grabs in 2006. Right now nine of them are Republican and ten are Democratic. Wanna make sure Illinois stays majority-Democratic, or even tip the balance further? Then by all means, call for Durbin’s censure. Hell, accuse him of treason. The Illinois Democratic Party couldn’t hope for a better fundraising angle than that.

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